Cirrus Build

Discussion in 'Boat and Accessory Building' started by cattail, Jan 7, 2009.

  1. cattail

    cattail Paddler

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    Hi everyone I'm new to this board, looks like the right place to share about my project starting this year off with a new project. Today I got word that my boat is being shipped from One Ocean Kayaks this is my first wood boat build. My background is Full scale and model airplanes from kits and plans with sheet metal, composite and wood working skills. I have admired these glossy wooden slippers for years but can't get a dealer localy to stock them and I never liked the sit on top plastic performance or seat of the pants feel. After looking at a few of the builds here I really like the strip boats like the King but want to start with the basics so I am making my first one S&G There was one guy localy selling a Pygmy about 8 years old for the price of the full kit but I would rather build my own if you know what I mean....

    My other boat in the Avatar is my A-Cat "Swordfish" a nice single handed cat 75 kilos all up. Good on those days when the wind kicks up 8)

    The Cirrus I ordered is going to have the darker deck like this one pictured. Now to get busy building a table for it they recommend a 12"x12' flat spot from particle board on a pair of sea saw horses.

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    If there is another build on here for a Cirrus can some post a link for it, Thanks,
    Charlie
    Surf City USA
     
  2. B1200

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    Did you say you were going to build a 12 INCH by 12 Foot table? Maybe I misread that..
     
  3. cattail

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    They called it a strongback, I call it a flat spot I guess it could be used as a table. Here is the referance.
    http://www.oneoceankayaks.com/stitchglu ... gback7.htm

    In the pictures they used plywood for building several boats on since I only plan to use it for a couple boats they recommend particle wood.
     
  4. Astoriadave

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    That is a very nice strongback. Particle board does not take fasteners as well as plywood, but it is more uniform. I'll be curious how you like it.
     
  5. Astoriadave

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    Wait. Do you mean "oriented strand board," aka OSB? I'd avoid that stuff for a strongback. The difference in cost is pretty small, compared to the investment of your time and the cost of the kit.
     
  6. cattail

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    Hi Dave, yes I know what you are talking about with chip board you just about have to pilot hole every screw or nail to prevent that from coming apart same experiance with particle wood so I went with AC plywood. The guy at HD ripped 2 sheets for me into 12" planks. Saved me a lot of work. Next to cut some in half.
     
  7. B1200

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    Ahh..now I understand. Being very new to all this I thought "boy, thats a skinny table" :oops:
    My next boat will be a partial stripper, and then hopefully I will feel confident enough to build something like this. It sure would be nice to be able to open my refridgerator door more than 1/3 the way :shock:
     
  8. Day_Sailer

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    Cattail welcome to the forum. Another sailor that wants to slow down at bit. :)

    I sold my Prindle 16 Cat this fall to finance building a SOF,(skin on frame) kayak at a class. Dont worry I still have my Day Sailer, 'Lollipop' and Laser 'Tuf'Nuf'. As an aging sailor, the cat was just to difficult for my back when I could not be on the trap. Not an "A" cat, but fast enough for me. I race the DS all over the country. Get to Huntington Lake every couple of years, and have see some A's there. Very impressive to watch thier starts.

    I also have extensive model RC Sailplane building experience, up to 11' wingspans

    For those kayakers reading this, An "A" cat is an open design raciing class with a few restrictions on some dimensions. Otherwise, wide open for hi tech building materials and methods and designs. Very Light. and Lightning Quick !!!!!! :shock: Cattail can describe it better.

    Have fun with your build. Lots of posts to search through and pick up many building tips and tricks. .
     
  9. oldsailor

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    One would think that a "real" sailplane pilot would be able to fly an RC sailplane; one would, unfortunately, be wrong. Somewhere there is a video of my RC sailplane flight. If I can find it, I'll destroy it.

    It is MUCH easier to fly a real one. Here is my sailplane:
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    Craig
     
  10. cattail

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    I have flown full size and model sailplanes and the nose is always in front in the full size thats why they are so much easier! Just remember the antenna is like the nose on the model if you need to turn your body to face the same way the model is going at first nobody will laugh as long as the flight doesn't result in re-kitting. Neat V tail glider is that a home built?
    I had a Lark ID29D from Romaina it was all metal skinned 15 meter 19 to 1 aspect ratio. Something like that.

    I won't bore the paddlers here about the A-cat here but your right as long as there is wind, I can do that over at www.catsailor.com their forum link is at the top center of that page I use the same user name there.
    There is a lot of cross tech between sailing and paddling, my cat has bungys and needs some LPU on the carbon/epoxy mast.
     
  11. oldsailor

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    It is a home-built although I didn't build it... it's a Schreder HP-16 (there is one for sale on www.soaridaho.com/Schreder for $9k) with 39:1 performance. An all aluminum, flapped glider. Designed by a guy who built his own and then won championships with it. WCP'ers would have loved Richard Schreder. A few years ago at the Ephrata, WA Region 8 championships they had to wade through 3 Canadian Schreder sailplanes to get down to the first US finisher who was declared the winner. We called them the "eh team". (The Canadians were - and are - regular flyers in Ephrata but can't win US competitions.)

    My son few a 2-place Lark (more like 34:1 performance) in the same thermal as me; a high-point of my life.

    I'm always amazed at how often interests coincide. So many pilots also climbed mountains and also sailed and also paddle sea kayaks and once had aluminum canoes.

    Craig
     
  12. Astoriadave

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    OldCraigSailorPilotClimberRaconteur wrote: I'm always amazed at how often interests coincide. So many pilots also climbed mountains and also sailed and also paddle sea kayaks and once had aluminum canoes.

    Oh oh! I'm busted! I've been concealing my illicit past as an RC flyer (soaring, slope-bashing, and half-A small craft specialist), hoping I'd have something unique in my past. And, now I find out I'm just another has-been flyer/climber/paddler/aluminum canoe jockey like all the rest of the old guys here.

    I think it's time to hang out at the FBO and sniff some avgas. Can't get enough octane out of the lousy E-10 fuel we feed vehicles here in Or-ee-gone. Then I'll go visit the old Grumman, chained to a tree across town, a relic that has been "in the family" so to speak for almost 40 years, angling to get a ride on the daysailor the neighbor wants me to buy. Alderbrook Navy, and proud of it!

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    [The redhead is not the kid's spouse; long story.]
     
  13. oldsailor

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    We need to move this thread to something like "ol' guys mis-remembering their pasts" or something. :)

    I would have loved to fly RC gliders but I could only fly them if they were going away from me.

    That is a terrific picture Dave. I had the Royal City Dry Boat Storage facility.

    Craig
    (with his aluminum canoe safely chained to the fence in his yard... he's pretty sure)

    PS: Cute redhead; you rascal!!!
     
  14. Astoriadave

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    Yes. I apologize to cattail for contributing to the hijacking. It would be OK with me if the moderators excised any damage I created. :oops:
     
  15. Dan_Millsip

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    It's OK (unless cattail wants the off-topic posts deleted), lets just carry on with the building discussion.

    Oh, and just to let you know, I also flew remote control gliders.

    *****
     
  16. Mark_Schilling

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    I'll happily let you fly my RC glider if you can put me in the 2nd seat of a real one some time! :eek:

    There seem to be a lot of similarities between building yaks and building RC planes; I think both hobbies attract builders that take pride in their attention to detail.
     
  17. cattail

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    It's all good, anything without a motor.
    I used to see the HP16 fly down here at Hemet they can thermal on the smallest dust devils. I am also building a R/C glider in the other room Eddie the Eagle. So tired of seeing the same thing at the cliffs. A friend told me once to have something because it is cool. I think we can all relate after seeing a hundred red, yellow and blue plastic and glass boats the one most of us remembered was the first wooden one we saw.
     
  18. RoyN

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    Like many of you, I used to fly rc model sailplanes. i still have a Dodgson Design Maestro Megan in the back room in need of a replacement rudder and new radio. I also flew F-1 RC pylon racers. not much room for error with an airplane flying 120+ mph 20' off the ground.
     
  19. cattail

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    Plywood for the strongback

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    I sawed 2 in half giving me the right length end to end with a full piece.

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    Started cutting some 1x1 blocks for braces.

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    I applied some titebond with a squeegy and laid the second layer on with the short piece at the other end.
    Both pieces got screwed together while the glue drys.

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  20. cattail

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    Hi Roy,
    The new radios don't have that frequency hassle anymore, no numbers, no waiting for someone else to land just turn on and throw! If you get the 2.4 ghz They are the ones with the stubby antennas that don't extend so no more bending or breaking off.