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Currently planning a trip from Bell Bella to Port Hardy for September. I've gleaned lots of good intel from this forum but wonder about kayak wheels. We're using two tandems and think the wheels will be very handy getting them onto the ferry but then what? Would we have time to run them back up to our cars? Should we take them along to disembark and then be stuck paddling with them?
What did you, who have done this trip, do?

Cheers and thanks
 
Where are you leaving your car in Port Hardy? Boats are placed on a trailer at Bear Cove. Wheeled off at Bella Bella. Very short carry to the launch. Once back at Bear Cove you won't need wheels. I wouldn't bring wheels. Are you paddling your tandem or singles?
 
We were going to leave vehicle at the ferry terminal
We will be using two tandem kayaks and of course we’ll have two weeks worth of gear and food.
Hoping to get water in Bella
Depending on how much gear we transport on the kayaks, those boats will be heavy
Wheels could really help
 
Park at the BC Ferries terminal in Port Hardy. Go into the office and take care of ticketing, parking fees, etc. Pack all your gear into large, blue Ikea bags. I use five Ikea bags for a multi-week trip, but YMMV.

The office people will direct you to load your Ikea bags into baggage cars, similar to the cars that airports use to transport passengers’ luggage onto the tarmac to load into the holds of airplanes. Unlike an airplane, weight is not an issue on a ferry. Feel free to put as many jugs of water as you want into your Ikea bags to load into the baggage cars. I usually bring three or four gallons (15 L) on a multi-week trip, and it’s easy to split that weight among multiple Ikea bags.

You won’t have access to any of the gear inside the baggage cars until you arrive at Bella, so carry one Ikea onto the ferry by hand, containing whatever you will need during the sailing. For example, you might want a seeping pad, sleeping bag, and pillow if yours will be an overnight sailing. Many of the passengers, lacking camping gear, sleep by wedging themselves awkwardly into the uncomfortable, non-reclining passenger seats. There is no need for you, a well-equipped camper, to suffer such indignity. What with your sleeping pad and everything, you can sleep comfortably on the carpeted floor. Board early so you can stake out a good spot. It will probably not be possible to avoid drunk people altogether during the sailing, especially an overnight sailing, but you can try to sleep as far away from them as possible.

Your kayaks won’t fit into the baggage cars. BC Ferries has a special car for transporting kayaks onto the ferry. They want the kayaks on the special car to be empty, not used for gear storage. Gear doesn’t go in the kayaks. Gear goes in the Ikea bags, which go in the baggage cars.

Sometimes, the special car for kayaks will be missing, or out of commission, or they won’t want to hook it up because there aren’t enough kayaks on the sailing to justify getting it out. In that circumstance, you will have to flag down a strapping young deckhand to help you carry the kayaks onto the ferry. This is yet another reason for the kayaks to stay empty.

At Bella, you walk off the ferry with the other foot passengers, recover your Ikea bags from the baggage cars, and recover your kayaks from the special kayak car, or if there is no kayak car, find yet another burly deckhand to help you carry the kayaks off the ferry. Then you schlep all that stuff down to the launch beach on your own, unless the burly deckhand is in an unusually accommodating mood and volunteers to help you.

At no point in any of this choreography do you need your own kayak-cart. In fact, a cart would probably create more inconveniences than it would solve.

Alex
 
Your sailing leaves Bear Cove in the morning and arrives in Bella Bella early afternoon. I've only not had a trailer available for my boat on one sailing to Klemtu. I would expect that the trailer will be used but if you have to carry on don't put a lot of stuff in your boat. Foot passengers board before cars. Follow the signs up to the Aurora Lounge. Don't dilly-dally. Grab a highback chair outside of the lounge. By being early you will get one right in front of the huge windows. I prefer the starboard side but that's just me. Bring your charts and GPS so that you can mentally index the visible shoreline with your navigational gear. It always surprises me how much the southern part of the route looks like a nothing-burger from sea though can be quite consequential when negotiating it. I carry a small collapsible nylon pack with a few things (extra layer, a bit of food, binoculars, camera, etc.). I've seen people preparing freeze dried meals by Jet Boil but that isn't really allowed. All fuel is supposed to be locked up but..........

The longest possible carry related to departure or return is the length of the ferry and dock at Bear Cove and that will almost certainly not be required. If the trailer isn't used, your carry at Bella Bella will be ~150 meters but probably more like ~50 meters.

I choose to park at the ferry. Never had a problem finding a spot but that could change. Call and ask. It isn't the most economical option but it sure is nice if you are finishing at Bear Cove. Some parking may be found in town (Check with Backpackers Hostel) Some folks prefer to land in town proper though low tides can make this a less preferred option. Personal choice. From the boat ramp take-out it is all of ~400 meter walk to your car. Drive back to the boat launch, load your gear and go to Sporty's for pizza and beer.

If you think that you will want the wheels for the beaches then that is a consideration. You certainly don't need them for the ferry or car retrieval.
 

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Two years ago, we had to drop our kayaks off on the kayak trailer the afternoon before our morning sailing from Bear Cove. Passengers getting off at Bella Bella volunteered to help us carry ikea bags of gear off ferry and down to beach. Not something to count on, but typical of how folks look after each other in this part of the world.
 
There is one significantly Develish Detail that I don't think has been mentioned here yet. Camping fuel prohibitions and limits when travelling on BC Ferries. Last summer, on arrival at the Duke Point Terminal, we were asked about dangerous goods, specifically camping fuel. I had checked the dangerous good box when booking the sailings. The attendant asked what dangerous goods we had and I told her isobutane camping stove cylinders. We had to leave them behind in Tswassen and purchase more once we got to Campbell River. We were told that last summer, the regulations changed as did BC Ferries Dangerous Goods policy and isobutane is now prohibited. Propane cylinders and white gas are still allowed in limited quantities I believe.

Hence, I would suggest that you contact BC Ferries to ask about the policy for your trip to Bella Bella. You can probably purchase your fuel for the trip south in Shearwater if needs be, but check on that.

Just a quick social media search on line seems to show a rather scoff law attitude to the new tighter restrictions. However, Transport Canada has a fully operational Administrative Monetary Penalty system ( read ticketing policy ) in place with penalties ranging from written warnings to hefty fines. Even with a written warning, you will have violation record on file. Get a repeat violation and that warning counts as history and no second warning is likely. Just say'in.

Spot Audits & Random Inspections: Commercial Vehicle Safety and Enforcement (CVSE) officers and Transport Canada inspectors, and sometimes RCMP help to periodically conduct unannounced spot audits on vehicles and on decks at the terminals to enforce safety standards. Just say'in.

BC Ferry’s is prohibiting camp fuel that contain BUTANE

Our little passion is experiencing greater logistical and planning issues these days. But then, the volume of traffic and number of folk travelling on the coast is much greater than of old.

Cheers, Rick
 
Camping fuel prohibitions and limits when travelling on BC Ferries. ... We were told that last summer, the regulations changed as did BC Ferries Dangerous Goods policy and isobutane is now prohibited.
I emailed the BC Ferries Dangerous Goods Office yesterday to ask about carriage of isobutane camp fuel canisters on the northern route. After some initial miscommunication as to whether kayakers are foot passengers or vehicles passengers, they replied:
Hi Alex,​
If no other camping fuels or propane are carried, vehicle and foot passengers can carry up to three (3) 1L containers of gaseous camping fuel (for example: UN1978, UN2037, UN1075, UN1268, and UN1950), or up to one (1) 5L container of liquid camp stove fuel without requiring dangerous goods documentation.​
When you check in at the terminal, they can assist you with how to stow the camping fuels on the vessel (most likely in a locker on the main deck)​

The isobutane canisters I usually use are sold by weight, not volume, so I'm not sure how they would be measured against BC Ferries' volumetric regulation. The canisters I use are sold at a net weight of 8 oz (227 g), gross weight of 13.1 oz (374 g). I assume the pressurized isobutane inside the canister is less dense than water, so the interior volume must be somewhat greater than 227 mL. I can also hear liquid sloshing around in there, even inside a "full" canister, which means even more interior volume. At a guess, call it 250 mL per canister. The canisters are labelled with hazardous materials identification number UN1075, so these canisters are subject to the limit described by BC Ferries in their email: "three (3) 1L containers."

At 250mL per cannister, it would take twelve camp fuel canisters to equal the volume of BC Ferries' regulatory limit of three 1L containers. But, on the other hand, twelve canisters is a higher unit count than three containers, even though the volume is the same. So which is the limit—twelve canisters or three canisters?

I emailed the Dangerous Goods Office once again, my third email on this subject. They patiently replied:
Unfortunately, You are only permitted to carry up to three (3) 1L containers of gaseous camping fuels.​
Similar to regulations surrounding jerry cans of gasoline – vehicle customers are permitted to carry up to one (1) 25L jerry can. However, you are not be permitted to carry five (5) 5L containers equaling 25L.​
In your case the maximum amount is three (3) containers.​
Thank you for confirming.​

Three 8-oz isobutane canisters per kayaker is enough for a trip of a week or two, but it's pretty thin for anything over two weeks. Kayak trips up north tend to run longer than trips down south, so if you're kayaking out of Bella Bella, there's a good chance you won't be allowed to bring enough fuel with you on the ferry. They do sell larger sizes of isobutane canisters, which could help you stay under the three-container unit count, but I always prefer to carry multiple 8-oz canisters rather than a smaller number of larger canisters, just in case of punctures or accidental discharge. Also, the larger canisters are tippier than the 8-oz canisters, if your stove is one of those models where the burner sits directly on top of the canister. They sell tripod stands that clip onto the bottom of canisters to help with the balance problem.

I will just note that last time I took the northern route, I brought five 8-oz canisters of isobutane. I just handed the ferry people a drybag full of canisters and they stowed it in the locker, no questions asked.

Alex
 
Two years ago, we had to drop our kayaks off on the kayak trailer the afternoon before our morning sailing from Bear Cove. Passengers getting off at Bella Bella volunteered to help us carry ikea bags of gear off ferry and down to beach. Not something to count on, but typical of how folks look after each other in this part of the world.
To clarify, when you said you had to drop off kayaks the afternoon before, does that mean they wouldn't allow you to load the kayaks the morning of your departure? I wasn't planning to get up there early enough to load kayaks the afternoon before, but maybe I need to?
 
To clarify, when you said you had to drop off kayaks the afternoon before, does that mean they wouldn't allow you to load the kayaks the morning of your departure? I wasn't planning to get up there early enough to load kayaks the afternoon before, but maybe I need to?
I've never loaded my boat the night before only the morning of sailing. Maybe that's a change and if so I'm sure it would be posted on their website.
 
that's good to hear - that was what I was expecting, but I just wanted to double check, that would be a pretty unfortunate change to miss!
 
Yes, you can typically buy camping fuel canisters in Shearwater. The Marine Hardware Store at the Shearwater Resort stocks outdoor camping supplies, and they operate a fuel dock that carries basic provisions and marine supplies. If they happen to be temporarily out of stock of a specific size, they can special order items and have them shipped by air freight in one to two days.
It is highly recommended to call ahead to the store at (250) 957-2305 to ensure they have your exact required fuel type (such as isobutane/propane mixes or white gas) on hand.

I decided to ask the almighty AI answer guru on Google if you can buy fuel canisters at Shearwater. The answer is pasted in above and is as I suspected a "yes". So for planning purposes, it would probably be a good idea to call ahead and order what you need to make it back to Vancouver Island.

It is approximately a 5.5 km paddle from McLoughlin Bay Ferry Terminal to the Shearwater marine store.
 
So, to clarify, we are allowed 3 of these each? If this is the case, I can’t imagine using up 12 of these on a two week trip. We are a four person team.
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The image you posted does not have the canister volume/quantity visible in the image that I can see. So first of all, if these are 1 liter canisters, then the limit is 3 per vehicle. From Alex's correspondence which reads:

Unfortunately, You are only permitted to carry up to three (3) 1L containers of gaseous camping fuels.

Similar to regulations surrounding jerry cans of gasoline – vehicle customers are permitted to carry up to one (1) 25L jerry can. However, you are not be permitted to carry five (5) 5L containers equaling 25L.

In your case the maximum amount is three (3) containers.

it is my pretty confident understanding that you are only allowed 3 canisters per vehicle booking, not 3 per person. So if you have two cars, that would be 6 all together, 3 in each vehicle. And you must check the dangerous goods box when you are making the booking. You do not have to fill out a dangerous goods form if you are within the specified personal limit.

But please check with the BC Ferries Dangerous Goods Office to make certain. I would also print off the post that Alex wrote, as well as any correspondence you might get from BC Ferries. That may be useful at the ticket booth if the attendant is not up to speed on the issue. As you can see from the posts above, the regulatory changes are not simple to understand and it is always possible That the staff manning the ticket booths may not all be fully up to speed due to all the various types of camping canisters and fuel types they may encounter.

Good Luck, plan carefully. Rick
 
Currently planning a trip from Bell Bella to Port Hardy for September. I've gleaned lots of good intel from this forum but wonder about kayak wheels. We're using two tandems and think the wheels will be very handy getting them onto the ferry but then what? Would we have time to run them back up to our cars? Should we take them along to disembark and then be stuck paddling with them?
What did you, who have done this trip, do?

Cheers and thanks
Last year was our first season using our Seaward G3 tandem, love it. However, it is fricking heavy when empty, not to mention when loaded. You can easily hurt your back if not careful. We went solo from Port Hardy to Coal Harbor. We carried a C-Tug cart and used it launching at Port Hardy and almost everyday of the trip. The wheels stowed in bow cockpit in front of the pegs. The body was bungi on top of the paddle float on decktop.
The routine is when landing either strap cart on in the water or on land. Then pull the loaded (heavyyy) boat to campsite (sometimes 100 yards depending on beach/tides). Launching is similar. It saves lots of effort carrying gear between landing site and camp. And when we landed at Coal Harbour carted the loaded boat up ramp to truck. Yes, wetter/hard sand surface works best and dry/deep sand less so. Pea gravel also not good, then the typical Ikea bag shuttle works. Worst case you can typically cart the empty boat on most surfaces.
I recommend installing a sail, they are wonderful. I made a 1 meter sail similar to Flat Earth Loosefoot. Easy sewing project. Never have used a paddle float for rescue but everytime we land the kayak is dragged up on it, great keel/gelcoat saver.
Anyway have a great adventure.
 
I would always use and have a trolley. Fiji was one month long trip overseas with my double and a lot of other trips where it would be well loaded and the (young) front crew would definitely not be able to lift much and possibly towed on soft-ish sand beaches.

The T-bar trolley breaks down to small parts but can be made to carry a heavy load. Two separate "T"s, an axle, two wheels, R pins to hold the wheels on the axle and two straps. The stands held by bungee do make things easier when putting the kayak on the trolley.

The first one I built had aluminium tubes and quite solid wheels. Fully loaded and with both crew sitting on the aft deck it would not have been a problem for it, it could still have been pulled along (by someone else) on a flat road.


Note the minimum of parts. Every other design (American) has twice as many parts and I've seen one where there would have been a couple of dozen jointers.
 
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