I borrowed this line from another forum: :wink: I brought it in here to open a discussion on the topic because I am constantly curious about this very issue! I am trying to engage with this so I can understand better, not to be critical of others. I really would love it if we could engage in a discussion that considers all levels of paddling ability. When paddling with friends, clubs, and even guided trips this issue can be such a challenge. I respect there are different paddling ablities, styles, and certainly speeds. But why do we choose to paddle with others then leave them behind when they don't keep up, or take off to explore without taking the others along? Why Santy-Clause, why? Why not go out with one or two people who paddles at the same rate and same style? Better yet, why do we continue to paddle with the same people and keep leaving them behind? This really confounds me. I doubt that people change their paddling ambitions much in a season or so, therefore, I don't expect that people will be drastically different paddlers the next time I go out with them. When I was a novice paddler there were some people that paddled with me just once; I imagine they didn't feel like they had skills, goals, and/or speed in common (or maybe they just plain didn't like me :yikes: ). Either way, none of these people left me behind (much). Yet, I see groups challenged with this regularly. I sometimes struggle with this as a leader as well. So maybe I can gather some insight and advice from WCPaddlers. :?