Dry bags

Discussion in 'Gear Talk' started by pawsplus, Feb 23, 2018.

  1. Peter-CKM

    Peter-CKM Paddler

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    It is a bit of playing with the opening of the trash bag to allow air out without letting air back in. Air can only escape from the mouth of the bag, not all around as with a standard compression system, so may take squeezing and loosing and re-squeezing to make it work. Probably not really use the compression part, but use it as a stuff sack.
     
  2. JohnAbercrombie

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    That would work well with the (older? I don't see them so much nowadays...) compression sacs with the straps that go 'around' the bag - making it smaller in diameter - rather than the (more waterproof) type with the flap over the top attached to straps that reduce the length of the bag. So perhaps worth looking for that 'reduced diameter' style if the goal is to get the bag through a smaller hatch opening.

    A quick search shows that Kifaru and Wiggys both make 'radial compression' sacks, but there must be others. One of the best compression sacks I had years ago had a 'lace-up' compression system with two rows of eyelets. None of those sacks would be 'immersion proof', BTW. Unless there's some sort of valve or 'breathable fabric', I think the compression and waterproofing functions need to be separated...as with Peter's method with the plastic bag and stuff sack.

    And, there are combination compression sacks which tighten 'both ways' like this:
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  3. JohnAbercrombie

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    JKA:
    Those are the eVent Sea to Summit bags with the 'breathable' bottom?

    What size do you use to get through the Nordkapp hatch? M?

    I bought one of those to handle a very bulky synthetic bag and it seems to work well. Adding a 'cover bag' to protect the waterproof fabric seems like a good idea to me - it's definitely 'rain jacket weight' fabric, not pack cloth.
     
  4. pawsplus

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    Does anyone know offhand what the NDK hatches measure (diameter)? My boat is suspended in my carport roof, so otherwise I'll wait until Sat., but thought someone here might know. :)
     
  5. JohnAbercrombie

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    IIRC, on the Romany Classic the 'large' round hatches have about a 9" diameter opening; the day hatch is about 6.5 or 7" diameter.
    Other recollections: I couldn't get a 10L Dromedary bag of water into the day hatch. Also, a 'long and small diameter' item can be troublesome if it can't easily be turned parallel to the waterline. Example- it's easier to pack your tent poles separately in a narrow bag and lay them along the keel rather than rolling the poles inside the tent.
    So you definitely want to plan your packing in your garage/carport, not on the beach!
     
  6. JKA

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    No John, I use the Small. The front hatch on my Nordkapp is a six inch one, like the day hatch. It's as waterproof as a frog's bum, but means taking matches out of the box to pack! :)

    Cheers

    John
     
  7. red kite

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    Day hatch: 188mm ( 7-3/8" )
    Stern / bow hatch: 240mm ( 9-7/16")
    (All inside diameter/ actual opening measurements on a 2010 Pilgrim X and 2007 Explorer LV, every bit of my research indicates that they are still using the same rims. I don't have access to a NDK "pod", sorry.)
     
  8. pawsplus

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    Oh, thank goodness! I wanted to get this cute little mess kit but was afraid it wouldn't fit. It will! Trying to pare down the camping supplies now that I have these itty hatches, and a regular plate won't fit in!
     
  9. Natasha

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    One tactic I've used to fit sleeping bags in small spaces and ensure they are waterproof is to use regular (non-waterproof) compression bag for the sleeping bag and then put it in a larger dry bag. The compression bag ensures the sleeping bag remains compact. The larger dry bag will have some excess material relative to the compression bag but easily goes through a hatch.
     
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  10. designer

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    Paws, besides hatches, some boats have a space between the peddles and the front bulkhead where a sleeping bag in a compression sack can fit. Also, I’m told, if no one is looking, you can sometimes use one of the larger PVC bags as storage on the back deck. If concerned about complications with reentry, I switched to a “heel hook” method that is so much easier for me than “flopping on the back deck” method. And of course with your tight little boat, you’ll be rolling so fast NASA will say you are changing their clocks.
     
  11. Astoriadave

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    Another illicit deck loader, right here. But not sure I would recommend that for a hull like Paws' NDK boat. And, certainly not for ventures in rock gardening or heavy surf zones.
     
  12. Jasper

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    I just put my larger dry bags in the hatch (half) empty and pack the bulkier items with the bag in the kayak. Easy peasy.
     
  13. Paddy

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    Are those Amazon dry bags like Earth Pak and Marchway, good to buy?
     
  14. Peter-CKM

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    Depends on your risk tolerance and how important it is to keep the items inside the bag dry.

    I have bought a no-name clip style dry bag for my phone (which is waterproof, so this was extra protection. The seams did let go a lot faster than I would have hoped, and faster than I have sen from more expensive clip bags like Aquapac bags. But it was backup protection, so I was Ok with that.

    Stuff I need kept dry I probably wouldn't risk in a non brand-name, untested bag. But things that would still be ok getting a bit wet should the bag fail would probably be fine.