Ferry Rescue of kayaker near Seattle

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  1. mick_allen

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    Link to Seattle newspaper account plus 2 minute video of a kayaker being rescued:

    http://westseattleblog.com/blog/?p=15015

    Looks like a semi rookie paddler, but was well dressed including hand protection. Couldn't accomplish a paddlefloat rescue, but did the next best thing by using the paddlefloat the best he could figure out and got a little bit out of the water.

    Lots of good things going on here despite the dunk:
    - pfd of course
    - relatively close to shore - would have washed shortly
    - populated area so good overview by others
    - immersion protection to some degree - hand and 1 foot, heh heh.
    - stayed with the boat, so more visibility
    - accomplished getting more out of the water than if swimming.

    others points?
     
  2. RoyN

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    Wasn't me.
     
  3. chodups

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    I wonder how he lost that one neo bootie?
     
  4. reallife

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    Need for basic training

    Read the reports and have to wonder what this guy was doing out there by himself. He was very fortunate to survive. An hour later and darkness would have likely doomed him. Hopefuly, he will learn from this experience and get some training. Otherwise, we would all be better off if he quit kayaking. It is guys like this that give the sport a bad rep!!
     
  5. mick_allen

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    Well, he was dressed, he was floating and he was in a semi-visible area.

    But did you see that the paddle harness was bungee or at least very flexible? No wonder he couldn't figure out what actually to do with the paddlefloated paddle.

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  6. Astoriadave

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    Mick, Dagger apparently does not make that boat any more. I think it is a Meridian. I agree the attachment for the paddle float out rigger looks cheesy.

    Did anybody else note whether the paddler was wearing a sprayskirt on rescue? I could not see one in the video.
     
  7. mick_allen

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    I looked closely and could not see one on at any time.
    Good idea for a rookie, bad idea for the conditions! Probably wouldn't even need to change attitude to fill up the boat.
     
  8. Stumpy

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    According to the attached news item, to the original story, he swamped when he turned broadside to the swell, so probably no skirt... something even I have learned not to do, unless I'm confident I can, and might want to swim to shore, towing a boat full of water.
     
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    Hmmm.. Wouda thunk that using a sprayskirt would be rather basic equipment choice, separating the purely recreational (don't worry, be happy) from the "I have pretentions of knowing what I'm doing".
     
  10. Astoriadave

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    The rescued one's story: http://westseattleblog.com/blog/?p=15650

    As many have guessed, no sprayskirt; as others have surmised, not much experience at re-entry.

    Link to the video footage is embodied in his account.
     
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    He got a number of good replies to his story, about the things he should do to avoid a repeat. The other thing that struck me was that this is a well-educated professional who somehow had a blind spot in relation to the dangers of paddling in cold water. He assumed he wasn't going into the water, and his clothing choices reflected that assumption. He didn't know how to read the water and the conditions, and extrapolated his prior experience (and narrow escapes) to the current situation. Once he was in trouble, well 'nough said by the responders to his story.

    I've seen a certain amount of unintentional arrogance of well educacted people who feel that they have a good understanding of things outside their chosen field of expertise. Superbly trained lawyers who pronounce nonsense regarding some aspect of home renovation or physiological response to exercise. Superbly skilled cardiologist or other specialist who assume they also know electronics, motor repair and nutrition. The cautionary tale here, in my opinion, is that we all need to develop some humility about what we actually know, and what we think we know. As Dr. Redfern found out, the latter can kill you.
     
  12. Astoriadave

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    Yeah, I picked up on that, also. Funny, I know some doctors, lawyers, etc., who are just the opposite. They are very aware of their ignorance in fields outside their expertise, and when in a new endeavor, ask a ton of good questions. It takes all kinds, I suppose.

    This guy edges toward a nutter, I think. But, he was resourceful in a pinch, and took steps to save his derriere. I'm glad he made it.
     
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    Out in non-flat conditions without a spray skirt => doesn't have a clue.
     
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    Anyone ever notice that all those diplomas on the wall at the doctor's office don't say anything about their standing in the class?... I've looked, and never seen any mention of whether they graduated in the top 10%, or just scraped by with a lot of luck involved?.
    This guy thinks he can overcome the powers of the ocean, doesn't need a sprayskirt, can paddle alone even though he admits he's never been able to complete a self rescue without help, and doesn't need to check the weather report even though there's a storm swell going on, and another storm brewing. Frankly, I'm glad he's not my doctor.
     
  15. Astoriadave

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    Ahh, Stumpy, you and I are old enough to know book larnin' does not always translate into command of hands-on stuff.

    I remember a buddy who was in med school telling me this little factoid (I think he made it up, or parsed it from a similar bogus factoid about accountants or attorneys or chemists or MBA holders or something):

    The top third of med school grads make the best researchers.

    The middle third make the best doctors.

    The bottom third make the most money.


    :lol: :roll:
     
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    Hah, hah!

    I agree! This guy isn't a real doctor anyway. He's a chiropractor. BTW, my medical degree says 'Honors' in tiny print underneath 'Medical Doctor'.
     
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    I read one of the comments at the end of the story that suggested he wasn't wearing a skirt too but, I just cant bring myself to believe that. In the swells he was in and the distance from shore (although not drastically far) and, all the other gear he did seem to have... I think he must have had one.

    Anyway, given how damned tippy ocean kayaks are when traveling empty, I think the assumption should be that he would not have been out in cresting waves without a skirt.
     
  18. nootka

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    Direct quote from the kayaker (ADave's link).
    You would have a very difficult time convincing me that this quote implies he had a skirt.

    I see this as a classic example of the Dunning-Kruger effect. The kayaker had no frame of reference to judge how (in)experienced he was.
     
  19. Astoriadave

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    I agree he had no skirt. And, I have paddled in seas like what I saw in the video and not taken much water on my skirt. Splashes, sure, but not momentous seas.

    BTW, my last name is Kruger. Who is this guy Dunning? :lol: :wink:
     
  20. Monster

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    Well there goes my theory, I'm surprised to say the least he wasn't though...