LOL. Awesome stuff guys. :clap: Bigbear, I understand what you are talking about and would have no problem visiting your campfire. :cool Actually, there's nothing funny about it. If you visit popular places -- especially those that are near population centers, you'll see the long-term damage that ill-informed or careless people have created. I don't see why there's a need to make a campfire right in the middle of a campsite when there's a perfectly good leave no trace tidal beach a few meters away. It's just plain dumb. But the thing of it is that as these places get more popular it also brings a lot of dumb people who do dumb things. I've been camping up Indian Arm regularly for the past 12 or so years and have seen a huge change in the place, especially over the last 3 or 4 years. The campsite isn't huge but every time I go up there now, there are fire pits all over the place. Many standing trees are cut or burnt. There are burn scars from fire pits all over the campsite (where it used to be nice grass). There's also more garbage and the outhouses seem to be always near full. It used to be almost exclusively kayakers but now there are a lot of powerboaters -- and while kayakers are sometimes far from perfect, the powerboaters are the ones that I see leaving the vast bulk of the garbage behind but it seems to be paddlers who are creating the fire pits. It's a pig sty and it's being destroyed by people. I've been there once in the last year and I'm no longer anxious to get there anymore. A big fire on the beach somewhere in the middle of nowhere? I've no problem with it. Really though, and I might be wrong about this, but I don't think that you guys and your bonfires is what this particular topic is about.