I only mentioned it again because that is how your recent post came across again. I am not trying to offend you Dan and my comments are not in criticism - I have supported some of your points and in other cases I have simply offered my perspectives in trying to see both sides of the situation and explaining how some positions can come across to others. And yes I have camped on Rum Island so yes I am familiar with it and yes I know it is one of the smaller camping areas in the Gulf Islands compared to larger camping areas like Sidney, Portland, etc and I do recognize that 9 tents isn't an ideal situation at that particular site but I think we can all recognize that sometimes backcountry camping situations are not ideal. It is a compelling topic, and there have been many good discussion points in the thread, because this type of scenario is a fairly common occurrence - especially in areas like the Gulf Islands or Broken Islands where there is high usage. I have extensive backcountry camping experience and there have been many times when I have found an ideal quiet campsite and then later a group rolls in, which can be a little deflating but similar to someone's earlier post - it happens. That is when I think it comes back to the repeated points around consideration, empathy and good communication. I hope you are able to have a coffee with the guide, as I think it would be good to share perspectives.