Siwash Rock (Stanley Park) off limits to paddlers?

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  1. kayakwriter

    kayakwriter Paddler

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    The Port Of Vancouver is proposing to put Stanley Park north of Ferguson Point (where the Tea House is) off-limits to non-motorized craft. So no more water access to the iconic Siwash Rock!

    See page 59 in the PDF
    https://www.portvancouver.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/09-08-2017-PORT-INFORMATION-GUIDE-DRAFT.pdf
    Get more details here:
    https://www.portvancouver.com/news-...ing_wp_cron=1504913001.9219489097595214843750

    There's no reason I can think of why the near-shore area off the seawall to Siwash needs to be off-limits to paddlecraft - no motorized vessel needs to be there, and no deep-draft vessel can be there.

    The window for public comments closes October 8th. Make your voice heard!
     
  2. AM

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    Hmm. Looks like simple geometry dictated the proposed Movement Restricted Area. IE: a nice north-south line from Capilano Light. You are absolutely correct that the depths along that shore preclude vessels of any draft.

    Thanks for the heads-up, Philip.

    Andrew
     
  3. AM

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    Just looked at the chart again. Third Beach would also be off limits...
     
  4. mick_allen

    mick_allen Paddler & Moderator

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    I wonder if paddlecraft are tier 2 and therefore are excluded: [ clips of page 64 and of page 65 ]
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  5. Layback

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    "For safety reasons, vessels engaged in fishing, personal watercraft such as jet skis, row boats,canoes and vessels, sailing or proceeding without mechanical power, are not permitted within the boundaries of First Narrows MRA (MRA-1), Second Narrows MRA (MRA-2) and all areas of Vancouver Harbour in between.

    Fishing, sailing and other non-powered recreational activity is permitted only in designated areas outside of the boundaries of MRA-1, MRA-2 and Vancouver Harbour, for example west of the MRA-1 western boundary or east of the MRA-2 eastern boundary.

    No person shall operate any pleasure craft under the power of oars or paddles:
    • In a traffic separation zone,
    • Within 300 metres of a vessel at anchor"

    This looks pretty specific. They don't want kayaks in MRA-1.

    They want to ban kayaks from areas that are far too shallow for most types of commercial vessels. All along the Stanley Park shoreline is perfectly safe to paddle, without any interactions with larger vessels.

    This proposal would also ban kayaks from crossing between Ambleside and Stanley Park. Personally, I find it easier to cross there, as opposed to further out. The large vessels are at their slowest when exiting the harbour. Once they get past the First Narrows, they begin to accelerate. It's much easier to misjudge the speed of a vessel further down the West Van shoreline.
     
  6. mick_allen

    mick_allen Paddler & Moderator

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    Sorry but I was late and just sent this in now:
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    Dear Sean Baxter,

    I am one who was possibly was mistaken that small vessels and paddlecraft would be be exempt from new regulations near first narrow bridge. It seems deceptive to say on page 64 and 65 that tier 2 vessel just have to operate safely in this area only to have another section say:



    "For safety reasons, vessels engaged in fishing, personal watercraft such as jet skis, row boats,canoes and vessels, sailing or proceeding without mechanical power, are not permitted within the boundaries of First Narrows MRA (MRA-1), Second Narrows MRA (MRA-2) and all areas of Vancouver Harbour in between.

    Fishing, sailing and other non-powered recreational activity is permitted only in designated areas outside of the boundaries of MRA-1, MRA-2 and Vancouver Harbour, for example west of the MRA-1 western boundary or east of the MRA-2 eastern boundary.

    No person shall operate any pleasure craft under the power of oars or paddles:
    • In a traffic separation zone,
    • Within 300 metres of a vessel at anchor"



    And these new regulations come into effect with no prior notification to BC Marine Trail Association, no warning to the Sea Kayak Association of BC, no notification to the Pacific International Kayak Association and no warning on the largest public kayaking website [westcoastpaddler.com] that applies to all of British Columbia.


    As the safest place generally for kayakers is near the margins where other boats cannot go and safety is near, it is confounding that these restrictions apply to locations that are the very safest for kayakers and where they most likely would go and where they have already frequented. These are locations that are historically used by us and other forms of canoeing in the past.


    I request that this short sighted and non-consultative regulation be tabled until the small boat communities that are to be affected are consulted and their input heard and responded to.


    Regards,

    Mick Allen
     
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  8. Dan_Millsip

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    Letter sent. Thanks for providing the link.
     
  9. kayakwriter

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    POV changes.JPG Woot! Some good news. Full details pasted below, but the bottom line is here:

    <https://www.portvancouver.com/wp-co...-Summary-of-update-Port-Information-Guide.pdf>

    Note the provisional "trial basis" language in the press release, so let's get the word out to all paddlers, so we can all be on our best behavior, and not wander into the traffic zones and give'm any pretext for restricting things more in the future.


    Port authority amends updates to marine regulations through the First and Second Narrows in response to industry and community feedback<https://www.portvancouver.com/news-...-response-to-industry-and-community-feedback/>

    Changes increase recreational boating area while continuing to maintain safety within shipping lanes



    October 20, 2017 | FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

    The Vancouver Fraser Port Authority today announced changes to its safe boating guide that offer increased access for recreational boaters in the First and Second Narrows.

    Under the Canada Marine Act, all Canada Port Authorities may establish practices and procedures within their jurisdiction to be followed by ships including recreational watercraft, and may also establish vessel traffic safety control zones for safe boating and recreational activities. The Vancouver Fraser Port Authority is the federal agency responsible for maintaining the safe and efficient movement of marine traffic in the Port of Vancouver and has had navigational and safe boating regulations in place within its jurisdiction for a number of years to ensure the safety of all port users.

    On September 8, 2017, the port authority issued a notice of amendment to the existing regulations within the First and Second Narrows. The proposed amendments were based on initial feedback from industry and community members, and were designed to address changes in marine traffic activity through the busy waterways.

    “Over the past few years, we have seen an increase in the use of kayaks, paddleboards and other recreational activities in shipping lanes around the First and Second Narrows. At the same time, cruise ships and container ships are getting bigger, making it more challenging for them to maneuver through the First Narrows and Burrard Inlet,” said Chris Wellstood, director of marine operations and security and harbour master at the Vancouver Fraser Port Authority. “Promoting safety on the water is something we take very seriously, and it is of paramount importance to us that our regulations reflect current and future operational and safety requirements.”

    Members of the public were invited to submit comments during a 30-day comment period between September 8 and October 8, 2017. Following the public comment period, the port authority reviewed and considered all feedback before making final updates to the regulations. The final changes reflect the port authority’s commitment to promoting safety on the water for commercial traffic and recreational boaters alike.

    “We made changes to the First Narrows Movement Restricted Area regulations, first and foremost, to ensure the safe navigation of all vessels through the First Narrows. We also reviewed our vessel traffic safety zones in response to public feedback and determined we could increase access, on a trial basis, for recreational boaters around the First and Second Narrows, while still ensuring safety for all port users,” Wellstood said. “We expect the operators of personal watercraft to adhere to the amended boundaries and all other existing safe boating practices<https://www.portvancouver.com/marine-operations/marine-recreational-activities/>, and we encourage the personal watercraft community to engage its members to increase awareness of the restrictions in place in the First Narrows.”

    In partnership with other agencies, the port authority’s harbour patrol regularly monitors the waterways within the Port of Vancouver and warns boaters who are putting their safety at risk by not following the regulations. While the port authority has increased access to recreational boaters with the amendments announced today, its harbour patrol vessel crews will continue to monitor the First Narrows to keep shipping lanes clear of small vessel traffic and ensure safety.

    The port authority encourages recreational boaters to learn more about how to be safe on the water by reading the safe boating guide<https://www.portvancouver.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/4747-PMV-Safe-Boating-Guide-Web-vƒ.pdf>.

    For more information, visit: www.portvancouver.com<https://www.portvancouver.com/news-and-media/news/notice-of-amendment-port-information-guide/>

    Additional information:

    · Port Information Guide<https://www.portvancouver.com/wp-co.../Port-of-Vancouver-Port-Information-Guide.pdf>

    · New safe boating map<https://www.portvancouver.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/SafeBoatingGuide-BurrardInlet.pdf>

    · Comparative safe boating map - previous and amended safety zones<https://www.portvancouver.com/wp-co...-Summary-of-update-Port-Information-Guide.pdf>

    · Consideration report<https://www.portvancouver.com/wp-co...eration-report-MRA-First-Narrows-comments.pdf>

    About Vancouver Fraser Port Authority
    The Vancouver Fraser Port Authority is responsible for the stewardship of the federal port lands in and around Vancouver, British Columbia. It is accountable to the federal minister of transport and operates pursuant to the Canada Marine Act. The Port of Vancouver is Canada’s largest, and the third largest in North America by tonnes of cargo, facilitating trade between Canada and more than 170 world economies. Located in a naturally beautiful setting on Canada’s west coast, the port authority and port terminals and tenants are responsible for the efficient and reliable movement of goods and passengers, integrating environmental, social and economic sustainability initiatives into all areas of port operations. Enabling the trade of approximately $200 billion in goods, port activities sustain 115,300 jobs, $7 billion in wages, and $11.9 billion in GDP across Canada.

    Danielle Jang
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