Darren, pack extra beers or whisky. I might end up needing to drink half of your beer at the camp. I will have to blame alcohol for me not understanding this complicated politics scattered with bunch of words and saying which I don't understand even with my 5 inch thick, oops! "inch" is American way of mesuring things... 12cm thick English-Japanese dictionary. And my brain is already upto the capacity after whole evening of learning about kayak navigation to prepare to go WPC spring camp really using the chart and compass. I will leave the debate to you guys. See you there anyway.