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 Post subject: Aleutesque
Unread postPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 8:24 pm 
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has anyone actualy seen this yak built and or in the water? any good or bad things about this boat? thanks

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 Post subject: Re: Aleutesque
Unread postPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 9:14 pm 
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i am surpriced that nobody knows this boat. it is a very rad design baidarka in wood striped. hmmm.

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 Post subject: Re: Aleutesque
Unread postPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 9:27 pm 
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I'm aware of it. I recall when Nick first built it. Never seen it on the water though, and haven't seen one around here. Beautiful boat.

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 Post subject: Re: Aleutesque
Unread postPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 9:35 pm 
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I suspect many of us know the boat, but have not paddled it or seen it in the flesh.

It would not be a choice for a single boat, or a play boat, as it is asymmetrical longitudinally ( ie it's handling characteristics would not be that great going backwards because of the diving stern) and the bow seems to be quite wave piercing.

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But that is all irrelevant as a 2nd boat, and if carefully crafted (ie follow the strong design influence), it could be one of the most striking boats in your quiver or in your crowd.
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I forgot to add that it is a guillemot kayaks design by nick schade:
http://www.guillemot-kayaks.com/guillemot/other/aleutesque also available from clc kayaks


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 Post subject: Re: Aleutesque
Unread postPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 9:09 pm 
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yeah, i like the style of it. just playing on the idea, i think i would like to build a 14' in this style but cover it in canvas. i build my 20' sof double Baidarka and realy like it but i think something of a playboat in the Aleutesque would be a fun boat. going backwards could be a problem. wonder how a 14' would do and roll. maybe i'll find out. ok, to the drawing board i go. thanks for responding everyone.

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 Post subject: Re: Aleutesque
Unread postPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 1:09 am 
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The aleutesque was an interpretation of the MAE593-76 kayak - I think shown on the arctickayaks site. Much helpful info on this kayak can be found on this page:
http://www.guillemot-kayaks.com/Building/StripBuilt/Aleut/Offsets.html

and the original plans in higher resolution can be downloaded from the david zimmerly's arctic kayak site and look something like:
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MAE593-76sm.jpg
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To now, in turn, do a reinterpretation in SOF of the strip interpretation (of the original SOF) is going to be interesting. Achieving the upper and lower stern fins with as much articulation as the strip approach will test the notion - as well as the concaves of the non bifurcated nose. Sounds like fun - and good luck. Show pics, heh heh.


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 Post subject: Re: Aleutesque
Unread postPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 3:18 pm 
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mick, thanks. yep, a very interesting build to do in sof. i have been playing with the design and i think i can pull it off. being it will be a 14' i will have to do some thinking on the width to get to where i want this. when i start i will post pics.

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 Post subject: Re: Aleutesque
Unread postPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 8:03 pm 
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Nick Shade just made available the offsets for the Aleut Baidarka that Mick mentions above.

You can get them here:

http://www.guillemot-kayaks.com/guillemot/information/kayak_building/skin_frame_construction/baidarka/aleut_baidarka_offsets_free_kayak_plans

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 Post subject: Re: Aleutesque
Unread postPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 3:57 pm 
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thanks Dan

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 Post subject: Re: Aleutesque
Unread postPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 3:39 pm 
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If the Aleutesque is anything like the Zegul Marine Baidarka, it doesn't like to be straight upright. The Zegul Baidarka that I paddled wanted to edge without any help from the paddler.


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 Post subject: Re: Aleutesque
Unread postPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 9:39 pm 
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roy, ya got to amit that boat is sleek. i did see some vid's of it in the water and it looked to me like it just wanted to carve like you said. it was paddled by a pro so don't know if he was doing it or it was the boat. look up zegul marine baidarka. there is a bunch of info there on this boat.

i have seen vid's of nick's boat that a couple of others built and it looked ok. the zegul is not really like nick's boat. it is sleek but i think nick's is alot better.

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 Post subject: Re: Aleutesque
Unread postPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 2:20 am 
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Quote:
If the Aleutesque is anything like the Zegul Marine Baidarka . . . . .

Funny thing, it's actually the reverse: the Zegul Marine Baidarka is much too much like the Aleutesque in both sideview and also seemingly lifted supporting text.

zegul on top, aleutesque overlaid lines in middle, aleutesque on bottom:
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for Nick Schade's initial take on this see:
http://www.guillemot-kayaks.com/guillemot/blog/nick/how_should_i_react_zegultahe_baidarka

The aleutesque is such a striking, beautiful, inspired abstraction that this new misbegotten half-copied mutation is an aesthetic travesty that from me at least, only gets derision and scorn.
-mick


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