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Swallow 2p Tent

mac

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Does anyone have this tent, or has any comments about the marmot swallow 2p. This tent is a 3 season extended use , 7lbs10 oz. The floor space is the same as the heron 33 at 37sqft, the swallow is 5in longer.

Marmot Swallow 2p tent
 
mac said:
Does anyone have this tent, or has any comments about the marmot swallow 2p.
Mac,

That looks to be a very comfy tent for two, with a ton of headroom, gained by the unusual use of bent poles at about knee height. The bent poles and greater profile to the wind mean it will not be as good in high wind locations as lower profile domes. It is also pretty costly for its floor area, in comparison with other tents in its size range.

If your use is for extended base camps in relatively protected sites (e.g., not on an exposed beach or ridge), I'd judge it a good choice, depending on how you feel about the USD$360 MSRP. Have you got a line on a good price?

I know my fiance would love it for the headroom. Most dome style tents are kinda claustrophobic, when your head is crammed against a tent wall. This one would be much more open and airy.
 
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Dave, no I do not have a line on a good price. In Victoria the price is $627 inc the tax. I will not be using it for extended use. (Unless showers are close by). The length as you mentioned is very nice so your head is not up against the endwalls. Any comments about the sleaves?
 
No, the sleaves look OK. They will inhibit ventilation somewhat, but the tent exterior is quite open lower down. I like tents with clips because the ventilate better, FWIW.
 
I have pole sleeves on my Sierra Designs Meteor Light - 2 sleeves and one set of pole clips. I don't mind them; setup is perhaps not quite as easy as on a tent with all clips, but it gives a more curved shape to the interior and allows for slightly more head room in places (esp. around the sides). I haven't noticed a ventilation issue, probably because about 50% of the tent body is mesh anyways.
 
mac said:
Does anyone have this tent, or has any comments about the marmot swallow 2p. This tent is a 3 season extended use , 7lbs10 oz. The floor space is the same as the heron 33 at 37sqft, the swallow is 5in longer.

Marmot Swallow 2p tent

A friend of mine owns this tent. He loves it, the only complaint is the weight while backpacking. When kayaking its not an issue.
 
hi mac,
i had a look at the marmot tent too, nice looking! i like the quality of the marmot stuff .
but just to give you a another tent idea, check this on out:
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this tent (the mark 2 from vaude) is on display at pacifica paddlesports. you may read my posts about that tent and i really really like this one! i owned about 8 diverent tent brands/styles over the years but when it comes to setting it up, ventilation,quality and the price then this is the only tent i would by--wellll i just bought a second one in germany :roll:

and before anyone thinks that i'm getting payed to sell this baby--no i'm not :lol: it's the same thing with the trangia stove.......... i just like quality gear and try to help people to get the right stuff the first time :wink: :D

cheers
andreas
 
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Rider, yes you are right it is a lot of money and weight for a 2 person tent. I liked the length at 90in x 40. I was thinking that a tent with 2 doors and vestibules would be nice.I did look at the mutha hubba but did not like the length at 84in,So as Dave mentioned you are pushing the side of the tent , or in this case the doors.Also the m/h you lay in it head to foot at the doors so your partner may still have to crawl over you. Andreas , I will have a look at those. I do not know anything about camping or tents so any input is helpfull.
 
Mac, I just recently picked up the Sierra Designs Antares -- it's a large 3 person tent (you can actually fit three standard Thermarest sleeping pads in it). My son is 6'3" tall and doesn't come close to hitting the wall at his feet or head.

The tent has two large vestibles with two large doors on each -- this makes the usable vestible area much more useful as you're not using up valuable vestible space by having the door in the middle of the vestible.

I"ll be using it this weekend for the first time and will let you know what I think of it after I get back.

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Rider, maybe i should be looking at the Zoid2 for half the price, and only 4lbs10oz. Dan how many tents do you have and what are they?
 
hi mac,
i owned a zoid 2 for about 2 years. it is a high quality tent worth the money!

set up time was about 5-10 minutes
you can only sit up at the head end
inner tent is saging when wet--no way to put more tension on
light weight
small packing size
not free standing (importend when camping on a sandy beach or rocky ground)
vestib. are just big enough for a backpack and a pair of shoes
for two people too small if you like to move around at night
when you're opening the fly in morning and you have (and you will :roll: ) condensation on it, it will drip in the inner tent (the way the door opens.... )you also getting a wet back from touching it when getting out of the tent--thats the reason why i sold mine.

so, why buy this tent then? well, it is good quality and every tent has it's "field". the msr zoid 2 is a great tent if two people who go backpacking together and just have to sleep in it.

if you're getting it, get the ground sheet with it!

andreas

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as you can see, i put some extra lines on to keep the fly from touching the inner tent--otherwise i would have had a wet sleepingback from thecondensation!
 
I can't comment on the Zoid except that MSR products are pretty good quality ( we use their stove and water filter pump and swear by them) Looks like Andreas has it covered.
Me and the gf own an Asolo Raptor 2 that is a pretty good balance between light and roomy for 2(just under 6 lbs) and price under 200 bucks.
I also have a Sierra Designs Clip Flashlight, a fair bit smaller than the Raptor but still livable for 2 full size people.
Mac have you looked at the MEC's Tarn 3? Pretty good tent from what i gather,only flaw is it's pushing 7 lbs if i remember right. and it's free standing and reasonably priced.
 
Mac,

I came inches from closing a deal on the Mountain Hardware Hammerhead 3. In fact, if it wasn’t for the fact that I received a free footprint with the Mutha Hubba, I probably would have sprung for the HH3. It features zippered ceiling panels that roll back for added ventilation, two large vestibules, side-to-side doors and at 91” in length, you shouldn’t have any problems stretching out those appendages of yours. Its smaller brother the HH2 is even longer at 98”.
 
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Andreas, Thanks for the zoid info, the tent should be free standing so thats out. RiderThe clipflash light does not look free standing, But the mesh door looks nice so you can see out with out letting bugs in.The Tarn 3, good mesh door, nice 3 poles to make it strong, But was thinking about a side entry. Mark your meter light 8ft 5in(101in) long !Thats long! Batstar The HH2 at 98in(8ft2in) long, nice!That tent in the heron33 color with mesh doors so you could look out , would be nice.That is very interesting what you just about purchased. So everyone what would you purchace if you had to buy another tent? The same one or something diff?Andreas we already know what you would buy!
 
Yup, the Meteor Light is quite long. Overall I'm quite happy with the tent; I've had it for almost a year now. The tent itself is symmetrical, although the fly is not, so it dictates which door is the front and which is the rear. But the tent doors themselves are the same size; one on each side, which makes entry very easy. It would be quite snug with two persons; I like to have lots of room for gear, so for just me it's great. Otherwise, with the gear in the front (very spacious) or rear (small but adequate) vestible, room in the tent would be comfortable for two full-sized Thermarest pads.

Since more than 1/2 of the tent body is mesh, ventilation is excellent - very little condensation in even the thick of winter. But, for the same reason, the tent is not very warm in winter (it's good for a 3-season tent). I've used it a few times in the summer with no fly, and if you can get past the relative lack of privacy (because of the amount of mesh) it's very comfortable (and I love seeing the stars at night, while retaining the bug-proofness!). It's possible to set up the tent without the body - just fly and groundsheet - although I haven't tried this. Mosquitos buzzing around my head at night drive me mad so I can't see using this feature.

There is one drawback I've found - and it's minor. The ground sheet dimensions do not seem to match the tent body perfectly, so it's under less tension than the the body / fly. The result is that the ground sheet does not stay clipped to the tent if you lift it off the ground - the poles slide out of the ground sheet's grommets. With the fly in place, you can clip the fly to the ground sheet instead of to the tent body, so that helps... but it's a bit of a pain when setting up though. Other features more than make up for that though - I really enjoy the 'stowable' doors - unzip a door completely and it stows into a neat mesh pocket at one side. No more climbing over unzipped doors or having them get in your way inside the tent. And, because the doors have 2 zippers that complete their track at the top, you always know where the zipper is when the doors are zipped.

Finally, the 'bathtub'-style floor ensures that no water ever enters the tent. This works amazingly well. On a trip to Twin Islands (Indian Arm) in the late spring, we arrived shortly after dark, and the only reaonably good site left to set up turned out later to be on something of a small river-bed as the rain increased. Water was literally flowing under the tent, but not a drop made it inside. Campers in their department-store tents, set up under tarps and on wooden tent pads, complained that everything inside their tents was soaked. But I, sleeping soundly while floating on a creek, remained toasty warm and dry. 8)
 
Mark wrote: Yup, the Meteor Light is quite long. Overall I'm quite happy with the tent; I've had it for almost a year now. The tent itself is symmetrical, although the fly is not, so it dictates which door is the front and which is the rear. But the tent doors themselves are the same size; one on each side, which makes entry very easy. It would be quite snug with two persons; I like to have lots of room for gear, so for just me it's great. Otherwise, with the gear in the front (very spacious) or rear (small but adequate) vestible, room in the tent would be comfortable for two full-sized Thermarest pads.

I owned a 1994-ish version of this tent and used the heck out of it for four seasons. SD has continually improved it over three decades. I think at the price it is hard to beat for a three-season tent. The version Mark has with stow-away doors, and improved pole layout, is sturdier and more useful than the one I had. Even so, Becky and I found it roomy enough for two people sleeping in joined bags.

We gave it away and bought a NF Nimbus, no longer produced (their current nearest variation is the Moraine 23) for its greater strength in storm, but regretted it, because we really did not need the extra weight and bulk, or that much overkill. The Nimbus/Moraine is a 4-season tent, with good vestibules and a bombproof pitch.

The Swallow 2p is lots airier and has a lot more headroom than either the Meteor Light or the NorthFace tents mentioned here.
 
I lied: We gave it away and bought a NF Nimbus, no longer produced (their current nearest variation is the Moraine 23)

The North Face apparently no longer make a 3.5 season tent similar to the Nimbus. Looks like TNF's Moraine 23 is closest to Mark's tent, though.
 
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What about this one? Big Angnes Parkview 2, www.campmor.com item# 24960. Large hooped vestibule, 78in ( 7ft 6in) long. The poles? double hub? Is this a quality tent, the name sounds like something i put on the BBQ.
 
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