what a nice weekend meeting everyone. i think the reason everybody is so great is that every single one of us is or is trying to be self reliant: we can wash our own dishes, make our own food, camp setup, etc etc etc and whatever we can't quite do, we'll try to do next time. great, great attitude. and the inclement weather just gave one more thing for all of us to unite against. and after that really, all you have to do is paddle, fool around at or in the waters edge and have fun. wonderful meeting you all. there was just not enough time to really talk, so i guess we'll have to do it all over again sometime! mick .