Interesting discussion. Decided to add my 2 cents to it. Found this: http://www.nationaldebtclocks.org/debtclock/canada with the help of Mr Google. Combined numbers for fed/prov is twice as high ($1.2 trillion). Canada is the richest (at par with Australia) per capita country in the world. Our economy is doing very nicely according to our governments. And yet the clock is ticking at the alarming rate. Then we should consider our senators' pensions, their expense accounts, free flights for Air Canada retirees, I hope you understand what I mean. The list is very long in any case. So, then just imagine for a moment that we - Canadians stop using the pawn shop solution to this problem. Close your eyes and think about it for a minute or two. I hope you share with us the results of your discovery process. Perhaps going kayaking is the best solution to it all. What do you think?