VanIslePaddler said:
I don't think Parks wants to get into defining specific site quotas... and honestly, I don't think we (the paddling community) do either...
Agreed, and didn't expect more of a reply than was given by Parks Canada. And while I really, really don't want to see endless rows of tent pads on these islands, a few more pads added to a few campsites would probably help reduce a bit of the crowdedness.
Honestly... push this too hard with parks, and BOTH recreational and commercial paddlers may feel the pinch...
Completely get what you're saying here.
I believe Dan's original two complaints were:
- A) Noise
- B) Being surrounded by another large group
You can probably add - C) A lack of communication between myself and the guide
A) Noise - I actually don't fault the guide here... Dan mentioned it appeared a client was being overly loud. The guide could have asked the individual to keep quieter, and perhaps he did... I know many people in my life that are 'LOUD' people... no matter how many times I ask them to speak quietly, it just seems like they constantly yell. Again, I was not there... But I agree we should, as mutual users of sites all be considerate of noise levels.
Not so sure I agree here. Part of the stewardship that is shared with guests needs to and should be about the effect of noise not only on wildlife but also for human neighbours (who are usually there in the first place because they crave a bit of quiet). I do know how some people are regarding talking loud but I believe that if someone were excessively noisy in my group that I could convince them to be quiet.
B) Group placement: This is a hard one.
- The guide may have been trying to minimize their impact on the site by utilizing the last two camp platforms, and the area around those spots to consolidate impact to the surrounding environment.
- From the photo it appears the tents have tried to consolidate as close as possible...
- If the guide had decided to give another user group 'space' and instead set up camp on the other side of the island where no camp spots are located, we could just as easily be having a discussion about how a group 'hacked out a spot in the bush ignoring the established camp pads'.
I should explain how we were set up on Rum -- we had the two outermost tent pads, the one in the middle being the one that abuts the trail entering the campsite -- we figured we'd have the spot to ourselves so picked sites that appealed to each of us. We also occupied the picnic table beside the uppermost tent pad at the west end of the campsite. The group set up primarily in the middle, between Maddie's and my tent, and to the east of the picnic table that we occupied. The tents appear to be quite consolidated in the photos because there were tents on pretty much every available flat spot in the campsite.
Edit: I need to mention here that there were two tents set up on the remaining tent pad -- seemed to me that it was done to minimize their footprint.
- C) Communication
Had I communicated with the guide at the outset, we most likely would have moved both Maddie's and my tents to the east end of the campsite (the logical place for the smaller group), kept the same picnic table, and left the remainder of the campsite for the group. Had this occurred, we probably wouldn't be having this discussion as the social dynamic would have been significantly different.
I do not want to see commercial groups limited from use of Rum island... it is hard enough to operate a eco-tourism business in the Gulf Islands as it is.
I don't however think it would be unreasonable due to the size of the facility, to limit the party size for commercial trips to Rum Island. I think Mark's number of 5 works well and is reasonable. Hypothetically, we could have been a group of 8 - 10 people. Had this been the case, another group of ten people arriving (and not being able to move on) and the campsite would have been severely overcrowded and people would likely have set up tents outside the camp area. Certainly doable for a night or two but most likely not entirely pleasant for everyone or the terrain.
Commercial kayak companies are subject to numerous levels of government administration which many in the paddling community are unaware of. In order to operate in many areas, it is not uncommon for a single company to hold a variety of Crown Land Permits, BC Park Permits, and National Park permits, all which require time and money to develop, apply for, go through consultation, and hopefully achieve. This is in addition to insurance, regular business licenses, kayak certification, and all the other aspects of running a business.
- Kayak companies are not 'get-rich-quick' schemes. They are operations run by people who love paddling and the outdoors...
- Kayak companies do not want to ruin the experience of other user groups... thats bad publicity, bad karma, bad everything...
- Kayak companies generally want to facilitate all paddlers experience of an area, and many have built public outhouses, fixed sites on crown land after winter storm damage, and offer advice and local expertise if someone calls, walks into an office, or approaches them on the beach...
- Guides are not 'getting rich'... short season... guides love paddling and the outdoors
- Guides want to give their guests an incredible experience
- Guides do not wish to intentionally ruin the experience of other users... (who would!?!?!)
- In an age of lower Park funding, Guides often act as unofficial Park interpreters and safety facilitators (I have myself provided numerous weather interpretation, suggested suitable routes based upon experience, and helped rescue and warm hypothermic private paddlers)
- Guides are only human... they will make mistakes...
Well aware of the hoops and bureaucracy that guides go through to operate above board and agree that it is pretty darned demanding. Also agree with all your other points. Nearly all the guides that I've met have been excellent ambassadors for the wilderness environment and generally don't hesitate to offer assistance or helpful advice to those around them -- paying guests or not. As I've stated previously in this discussion, I think guides provide an important service that we all, as outdoor users, benefit from.
Lastly, as MANY have mentioned in this thread, these situations are exceptions to the rule, NOT common occurrences. I suggest we let it stay that way, an uncommon unfortunate situation which impacted someone's experience.
Unfortunately, the sad reality is that more and more people are venturing out into areas like the Gulf Islands and similar instances are likely to occur
more often as time goes on. How we all deal with situations and with each other will make the biggest amount of difference towards everyones enjoyment. Hopefully, discussion such as this one can help a bit to iron out the wrinkles that might appear along the way.
As as guide, I have witnessed horrendous things perpetrated by private recreational paddlers to areas we enjoy...
- I could, therefore, lobby to keep untrained people from our wilderness... but I will not
- I will, however, adamantly continue to support access for all to our wild areas...
- Members of WestCoastPaddler, I would argue, fall into the category of responsible, considerate private paddlers, for whom this does not apply.
My sentiments as well.
Thanks Liam -- always appreciate your thoughtful comments.